Yo tengo una pregunta , de completo profano en el asunto , si minas Bitcoin con esta u otra página y lo almacenas en una billetera , a la hora de convertirlo en divisa (€ $) tienes que tributarlo , un banco tiene que entrar en juego verdad ?
Gracias de antemano
Para minar cryptomonedas debes de estar por lo menos en España dado de alta como autonomo y si cambias los BTC a euros tributas lo que cambias como ganancia patrimonial que minimo es el 19%
Si solo compras BTC y los acaparas no tienes que hacer nada salvo que los liquides y por la revalorización hayas tenido beneficios… en ese caso si tienes que indicar esa ganancia parimonial en la declaración.
Pero vamos… que hay un hilo donde está todo esto más que explicado:
disculpa mi ignorancia, pero, cómo saben cuando lo compré y a qué precio?
En principio los BTC que tengas les da igual… lo que cuenta es lo que se incremente tu patrimonio en euros.
(DINERO OBTENIDO) - (DINERO INVERTIDO -> metido en un exchange) = BENEFICIO o PERDIDA
Si ganas tributas minimio al 19%… si pierdes te puedes desgrabar… pero vamos, que mejor ve a un asesor… seguro que te lo explica mucho mejor que yo.
Eso si, seguramente no tienen ni idea por lo que mejor enlazales a este foro y un par de links:
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gracias x tu respuesta, un saludo. pero igualmente tengo dudas 
porque cómo me pueden demostrar si yo compre en el 2012 o en el 2017?
Tu no tienes que demostrar nada… hasta que te lo pidan demostrar si te auditan… por lo que es recomendable guardar los wallets usados con dichas transacciones y resguardos de transferencias.
Si no los tienes desconozco lo que puede hacer hacienda pero entiendo que como poco contabilizarán el 100% del beneficio como ganancia patrimonial.
Es decir que si descambias 5000€ en BTC tendran en cuenta que no pagaste nada por ellos y por tanto el 19% de esos esos 5000€ (950€) son para hacienda.
Tu realmente a menos que tengas más de 600.000€ en BTC no estás obligado a declarar que tienes ese patrimonio.
Pero vamos que es bueno guardar recibos y demás porque si ellos te auditan y no puedes demostrar el origen licito de los BTC estos y lo que puedas haber obtenido en euros te podria ser incautado o tributar como bienes ocultos en el extranjero… los cuales para regularizarlos deberias pagar lo que no está escrito:
Link: Regularización de los bienes en el extranjero
Como con ejemplos todo parece más sencillo, pongamos uno: un contribuyente tiene una cuenta corriente en Suiza por importe de 600.000 euros desde el año 1999. La amnistía le sonaba que no iba con él y no regularizó ese importe que nunca había declarado en España. A través de un requerimiento formal a Suiza o por compra de datos (véase lista Falciani) Hacienda descubre el petate. ¿Cuánto le sale la broma al contribuyente? Pues bien fácil: 600.000 euros * 52% = 312.000 euros de cuota y una sanción del 150% de la cuota: 312.000 euros * 150% = 468.000 euros. En total = 780.000 euros (y dejemos ya a un lado los intereses para no hurgar más en la herida). Es decir, se pierde todo lo que se tiene fuera y se le debe dinero adicional a Hacienda. -“¡Menuda broma de mal gusto!, ¡no creo que Hacienda se atreva a aplicar esta medida desproporcionada!”- cuestionará usted. Pues ya lo ha hecho. Como se ha publicado en diferentes diarios, Hacienda ya ha penalizando duramente el caso de un contribuyente que no presentó en plazo el modelo 720 de 2012, dejando de declarar bienes por valor de 340.256 euros. Tras presentarlo en 2014, Hacienda le reclama 439.268 euros entre cuota, intereses y sanciones.
Mi asesor básicamente me ha dicho que lo guarde y anote todo y eso que solo me dedico a minar y me queda la mierda en la uñas después de pagar todo ya que solo tengo 3 mineros y uno de ellos es un D3 que es una ruina.
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Ah vale muchas gracias
Muy completa tu respuesta Luis , muchas gracias
Basicamente, mientras no cambies de bitcoin (u otra cryptomoneda) a fiat no tienes que declarar nada. Puedes hacerte con una tarjeta y hacer tus compras en cualquier establecimiento que use visa o mastercard. Por ejemplo en xapo.com o wirex.
“donde tu cobras por tus afiliados directos”
No es cierto, yo recibo mis bitcoins diariamente sin referir a nadie, por tanto ya no es lo mismo.
Y yo voy y me lo creo.
Este tipo de tarjetas es a efectos prácticos como tener dinero en el extranjero en una cuenta corriente a la que se vinculan.
Es así de simple para hacienda ya que el dinero que dan estas tarjetas no lo tienes en ninguna cuenta corriente en España y por tanto ese dinero está en el extranjero… consecuentemente te toca hacer si las posees el 720 y tributar con el.
Tener BTC no es como tener euros… es un almacén de valor… un valor muy volátil que de momento solo hace que revalorizarse y tributas según el beneficio o perdida obtenido tras su liquidación.
Insisto como en el hilo de ¿que hacemos con hacienda? que lleveis todas la dudas a un asesor financiero.
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La verdad que no lo veo tan claro, dejaré abierto un post en el foro para que algún erudito nos responda.
Es muy simple… haz las preguntas adecuadas y obtendrás las respuestas adecuadas.
- ¿De donde salen los euros de la tarjeta?
- ¿Cuanto he pagado inicialmente por los BTC que voy liquidando?
- ¿Cual es su valor de mercado cuando quien hizo la tarjta los liquida para darme euros?
Eso es esencialmente lo que tu asesor financiero o el que vaya a hacer la declaración te va a preguntar.
Claro que le conocemos, parece que para los Bitclub boys RV es una referencia
Buenas! Hay un canal interesante de telegram, se resuelven dudas y la idea es crear un arbol entre todos los miembros.
Para cualquier duda puedes preguntar por ahí, o puedes preguntarme por emaill;
Novedades por parte del equipo técnico de Bitclub:
"MAJOR Upgrades Coming…
Right now the entire world is on fire about Crytpo and although this is nothing new for long time BitClub members we are now seeing an entirely different group of people coming into this ecosystem and BitClub is long overdue for some major upgrades.
During the last 3 months our sales went crazy as Bitcoin has gone mainstream around the world. This growth has been very exciting for us but it’s also been putting a lot of stress on just about every piece of our operation.
Here are a few things that we’ve been working on…
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We are formalizing many aspects of BitClub Network. This includes creating multiple entities around the world to operate legally and above board in our key markets. It’s important we do this to protect everyone and you will see BitClub operating more like a “company” and less like a “club” of people. We will share these details with you in January
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New websites. Our website is old (embarrassing old) and the content is very outdated as well. The good news is we just hired a really great in house team of designers who are already working to redo the website, the videos, the members area, and create a new skin for our mobile apps. We know this stuff is long overdue and we are very excited about this new marketing team.
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BitClub and CoinPay apps. We have built the framework for a few different apps but we are going to be tying them together and really focusing on keeping our apps up to date and top notch. We have also hired dedicated guys to these projects and you will see a lot of emphasis moving toward using apps to access our products and services.
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Marketing, Training, News, and Events. Our plan for 2018 is to completely revamp our marketing and communication so that new members get a lot more value out of their membership. This includes new training, new ticketing system, new live support for big leaders, planned events around the world, and much more communication from the corporate side.
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New Products and Services. We have identified some new products and services that we plan to introduce in 2018. This will help add even more value to our membership while giving members additional options to earn volume. One of the key things will be our new debit card program that will allow you to hold cryptos (including ClubCoin)
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CoinPay Opportunity. We will begin to focus on the next phase of BitClub Network which is the launch of CoinPay and the mass adoption of ClubCoin. You can read more about this one in the CoinPay update below.
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Legal Structure. We are working on many different strategies to protect BitClub. This includes leaving all unfriendly markets and focusing on blockchain and bitcoin friendly countries. You will likely see us pull out of more markets in 2018 and this includes the US. If you are in the United States you will see a big crackdown coming as we formalize and protect this company so just be aware of this. We have warned on it many times.
Why are we making all these big changes?
When we first started BitClub in 2014 we had no idea it would turn into this. Our vision was to bring a small group of people together and pool our resources to purchase mining equipment and share in the profits. It started working for us and then it caught on fast as more people wanted a piece of the Bitcoin we were mining.
If you were lucky enough to join BitClub in the early days then you have seen an incredible return on your initial purchase from mining alone. This is not from recruiting, or commissions, but from actual mining profits.
As of this writing BitClub Network has mined 65,896 Bitcoin, which at today’s price is worth $1,054,336,007.66 (in case your eyes glaze over looking at this number it’s almost 1.1 Billion USD). Out of this total we have paid 100% back to the members through our pool. BitClub keeps 0% of this!
Nobody else can claim this, all other mining pools have pool fees, expenses, and there are lot of costs associated with running a pool (if real mining is actually being done). But the reason we can pay 100% back and continue to expand is because of the MLM leveraged structure that we set up.
We have found the perfect model and thanks to the rise of Bitcoin and other Cryptos we have now seen thousands of people completely change their lives because of the BitClub opportunity. This is something we take very seriously and we can’t thank you enough for your patience and hard work as we navigate this space together.
The next step for BitClub is to move from being a “Club” of people operating on nothing more than trust to a more “Corporate” like structure that allows us to protect and continue to expand what we have.
You will see the “re-birth” of BitClub as we move to scale the operation and implement new policies and procedures for the next phase of our growth. We have already started to hire a new corporate team who is helping to execute this plan in the background and we couldn’t be more excited for what is coming in 2018.
MAJOR upgrades will be visible over the next 30, 60, and 90 days.
CoinPay Pre-Launch Update
We are excited to announce that our CoinPay pre-launch has already taken in nearly $950,000 USD through the platform with no issues at all. This volume has come from only a few Beta testers who fully integrated our platform into their own merchant systems and now that we have implemented it into BitClub we are confident it will be ready to roll out.
Each one of the Beta testers has integrated a seamless checkout and we have also just gone live on our own platform as well to stress test at the highest level. One of the best things about CoinPay is our fully functional API that anyone can use to integrate. This is actually where the magic is because any business can easily follow the documentation to make it happen.
Here is the API doc… https://members.coinpay.co/api.html
The next step for CoinPay is introducing it through BitClub so all members can begin using it and selling it. When the platform launches it will be in 4 languages. English, German, Korean, and Japanese.
CoinPay will begin by accepting Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and ClubCoin. We are still waiting on ClubCoin to be listed on a few more exchanges before it can be implemented so you may see the platform initially launch with just BTC and BCH.
With the BTC network very congested and hard to use (for small items) we envision Bitcoin Cash being the preferred method of payment because its fast, cheap, and just as easy to use as Bitcoin. ClubCoin will come into play as well with an entire marketplace for customers to spend their ClubCoin at a discount through the platform itself.
This is going to be a major focus in 2018. We see CoinPay and ClubCoin being a much bigger opportunity than mining and we are finally putting ourselves in a position to handle the support needs this will create.
More details coming soon on this!
Payment Audits and Corrections
With the size of our daily commission payouts and the many factors that go into making these payments in Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Ethereum, and all the other tokens we know there are some missing payments (especially on Ethereum).
One of the things we’ve done recently is rebuild our Ethereum payment script. The Ethereum network handles payments a little differently by using a gas limit and no matter how high we set this limit we see payments fail or only send a portion of the amounts.
So what we decided to do was build a full audit script on all of the payments made and in 2017 and we plan to implement this over the next few weeks to payout any wrong commissions and potentially claw-back any commissions that were paid twice or too high.
If you are waiting on a payment (especially for Ethereum or Ethereum Classic) please wait until the end of the year as we are running this process now and plan to close out 2017 with fully reconciled records. Once these are ready we will post your total earnings for the year in a downloadable file so that you know exactly how much you have earned for tax purposes.
Repurchases Change…
We recently made a change to our repurchase percentage by bumping it up to 5% of the value of the pool. This was a much needed change because of all the millions of commission records these partial share repurchases were creating.
However, we are getting ready to make another small change that will allow you to earn repurchases faster if you are proactive. Very soon you will see a button inside of your members area that to click and repurchase whatever is being held as long as it’s above 1%.
So the idea is if you are in your back office and you have accumulated over 1% of the pool in reserve this button will be activated and you can manually push it to repurchase your chase. If you do not push this button then it will automatically repurchase at 5%.
We will let you know when this change goes live.
Bitcoin Gold Wallet
We have decided to support Bitcoin Gold. If you had Bitcoin sitting in your wallet at the time of this fork then you will get an equal amount of Bitcoin Gold that you can withdrawal. You can expect to see this wallet around the first week of January.
Bitcoin itself has been forked dozens of times over the years and mostly it has gone unsupported. However, this year because of the success of Bitcoin Cash and the scaling issues we are now seeing more and more teams come up with fork ideas that are getting attention.
Bitcoin Gold is probably the last fork we will support!
In the future, if you want to have access to any new forks make sure you withdrawal all of your Bitcoin out of BitClub and store them in a wallet that will support the forked coin. We will let you know in the future if we change our mind on any specific forks, but please assume we will NOT support all the planned forks.
As always THANK YOU for being part of BitClub Network. We had an incredible year and we are looking forward to doing big things in 2018
Sincerely,
-BitClub Support "
Hola buenas noche, después de ver muchos videos acerca de Bitclub Network e informarme en foros como este me animé a minar a traves de esta pagina pero tengo un problema con mi robot de minería de 2000$ y nosé si me podriais ayudar:
Desde el principio mi robot de 2000$ me pone que genera al día 0.00062BTC que estoy metiendo el 100% en recompra, cuando realizó la primera recompra seguia poniendo que estaba generando 0.00062BTC cuando en realidad solo me estan dando 0.00052BTC y hoy despues de realizar otra recompra sigue poniendo la misma cantidad generada y solo me suman 0.00048BTC.
No entiendo que es lo que está pasando…me restan produccion diaria.Porque pasa esto?? Adjunto imagen de mi robot con el dato de produccion diario de 0.00062 y la produccion de hoy no utiliazada de 0.00048. Muchisimas gracias de antemano.
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Tranquilo que volverá a subir. Es algo normal, date cuenta que no ganas de forma lineal sino que a mayor numero de miembros mas hay que repartir.
La ventaja que al haber mas miembros el poder de hashing aumenta, con lo cual el numero de bloques resueltos (y su compensación en bitcoin) aumenta. Este aumento de hashing no se hace de forma instantánea sino que se hace cada cierto tiempo (3 meses o así) ya que hay que hacer encargo de maquinaria nueva, instalación, asignación a cada miembro, etc…
Podrás comprobar en https://blockchain.info/es/pools que el porcentaje de bloques resueltos ha aumentado con respecto al mes anterior y eso es muy bueno. (y todo lo que queda)